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 ::''Testimonies'' Vol. 9, page 214
-Let's call a spade a space.  She's advocating good ol' southern Segregation here.
+Let's call a spade a spade.  She's advocating good ol' southern Segregation here.
 This is why many Adventist churches in the south (even where I grew up in Muskogee) are still segregated.  "Let's preach the great message about not eating pork, but let's not help the plight of our fellow man."

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 :The cities of the South are to be worked[...] Let white workers labor for the white people[...]  Let colored laborers do what they can to keep abreast, working earnestly for their own people[...]  The colored people should not urge that they be placed on an equality with white people.
 ::''Testimonies'' Vol. 9, page 214
 This is why many Adventist churches in the south (even where I grew up in Muskogee) are still segregated.  "Let's preach the great message about not eating pork, but let's not help the plight of our fellow man."

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-This is for all my [http://www.adventist.org Adventist] friends out there...  Other people may not be interested in reading it, since it deals with Ellen White, which really has no meaning for people who never grew up in the Adventist church.
+This is for all my [http://www.adventist.org Adventist] friends out there...  Other people may not be interested in reading it, since it deals with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_White Ellen White], which really has no meaning for people who never grew up in the Adventist church.
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	This is why many Adventist churches in the south (even where I grew up in Muskogee) are still segregated. "Let's preach the great message about not eating pork, but let's not help the plight of our fellow man."		This is why many Adventist churches in the south (even where I grew up in Muskogee) are still segregated. "Let's preach the great message about not eating pork, but let's not help the plight of our fellow man."
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	This is for all my [http://www.adventist.org Adventist] friends out there... Other people may not be interested in reading it, since it deals with Ellen White, which really has no meaning for people who never grew up in the Adventist church.		This is for all my [http://www.adventist.org Adventist] friends out there... Other people may not be interested in reading it, since it deals with Ellen White, which really has no meaning for people who never grew up in the Adventist church.

−	<includeonly>[quote in extended version]</includeonly><noinclude>Selective quoting from 1T ch 38. For the entire text, see [http://whiteestate.org WhiteEstate.org] or your local Adventist library. My commentary follows --Tometheus	+	<includeonly>[quote in extended version]
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		+	</includeonly><noinclude>Selective quoting from 1T ch 38. For the entire text, see [http://whiteestate.org WhiteEstate.org] or your local Adventist library. My commentary follows --Tometheus

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 This is for all my [http://www.adventist.org Adventist] friends out there...  Other people may not be interested in reading it, since it deals with Ellen White, which really has no meaning for people who never grew up in the Adventist church.
-<noinclude>Selective quoting from 1T ch 38.  For the entire text, see [http://whiteestate.org WhiteEstate.org] or your local Adventist library.  My commentary follows --Tometheus
+<includeonly>[quote in extended version]</includeonly><noinclude>Selective quoting from 1T ch 38.  For the entire text, see [http://whiteestate.org WhiteEstate.org] or your local Adventist library.  My commentary follows --Tometheus
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-So basically, this '''direct vision from GOD''' said that telling other people to abstain from pork was ''Satanic''.
+</noinclude>So basically, this '''direct vision from GOD''' said that telling other people to abstain from pork was ''Satanic''.
 <noinclude>That's a far cry from what she would say later:
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 :"Pork, although one of the most common articles of diet, is one of the most injurious. God did not prohibit the Jews from eating swine's flesh merely to show his authority, but because it is not a proper article of food for man. <i>It fills the system with scrofula, and especially in that warm climate produces leprosy, and diseases of various kinds</i>. Its influence upon the system in that climate is far more injurious than in a colder climate. <i>But God never designed swine to be eaten under any circumstances</i>."
 ::''The Review and Herald'', June 20, 1899, "Disease and Its Causes"
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-Apparently when 1T was written, God didn't know what he was going to show EGW 5 years into the future... Specifically calling this an "'''''Error''' in Diet''".
+</noinclude>Apparently when 1T was written, God didn't know what he was going to show EGW 5 years into the future... Specifically calling this an "'''''Error''' in Diet''".
 So, what is the test... that God will reveal the policy on swine to the entire church, not to '''''two or three'''''.  So what changed the policy, creating the Adventist prohibition on pork?  '''''ONE''''' person's vision!  You may tell me "oh, but Ellen White was human, she makes mistakes", but remember, this is claimed to be a direct vision from God himself.

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 Apparently when 1T was written, God didn't know what he was going to show EGW 5 years into the future... Specifically calling this an "'''''Error''' in Diet''".
-So, what is the test... that God will reveal the policy on swine to the entire church, not to '''''two or three'''''.  So what changed the policy, creatng the Adventist prohibition on pork?  '''''ONE''''' person's vision!  You may tell me "oh, but Ellen White was human, she makes mistakes", but remember, this is claimed to be a direct vision from God himself.
+So, what is the test... that God will reveal the policy on swine to the entire church, not to '''''two or three'''''.  So what changed the policy, creating the Adventist prohibition on pork?  '''''ONE''''' person's vision!  You may tell me "oh, but Ellen White was human, she makes mistakes", but remember, this is claimed to be a direct vision from God himself.
 Talk about someone on a power trip.  When someone else comes up with an idea, it's '''''evil''''', but when she comes up with it ''later'', it's '''''DIVINE LAW'''''.
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 <noinclude>While we're on the topic, '''PORK DOES NOT CARRY LEPROSY'''.  (Other than humans, the only animals known to be susceptible to leprosy are the armadillo, mangabey monkeys, rabbits, and mice.)
-As to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrofula crofula] (Tuberculosis of the neck), why aren't cows also banned, since they carry tuberculosis as well?  (Notice she doesn't mention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis trichinosis] specificly, which is a valid reason to not eat pork.)
+As to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrofula crofula] (Tuberculosis of the neck), why aren't cows also banned, since they carry tuberculosis as well?  (Notice she doesn't mention [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichinosis trichinosis] specifically, which is a valid reason to not eat pork.)
 I also find this quote amusing: